Did you have any knowledge or information of any kind or character at any time prior to November 24, 1963, of that incident?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. No one had spoken to you about it?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; they had not.
Mr. Jenner. When did it first come to your attention?
Mr. Oswald. In the newspaper. I believe this to be sometime in the latter part of December 1963 or January 1964.
Mr. Jenner. It was subsequent to your brother's death?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And you had no information direct or indirect of any kind or character, scuttlebutt, hearsay or otherwise, up to that moment?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know of any acts of violence that your brother had carried out or had contemplated or attempted during his life other than school boy antics?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not. I have never known him to attempt or indicate to attempt to carry out any type of violence other than a schoolboy——
Mr. Jenner. Was he given to tantrums?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; he was not.
Mr. Dulles. Did he ever seem to you to be a man who repressed himself, that he was boiling inside and that there were a great many emotions that he had that he was holding in? Did you get that impression from your knowledge of him?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not. I would say that Lee's character was that he was more of a listener than a talker, not to the extent of being an introvert. I do not believe he was an introvert.
Mr. Jenner. I was about to ask you that question. There have been people who have been interviewed, teachers and others, a good many of them as a matter of fact, who have described your brother as an introvert. Your mother used the expression that he was a loner in a statement that she made to the authorities in New York City, and I think on this record.
Was he in your opinion, gathered from your actual experience with him during his lifetime, a loner, that is, a person who would tend to prefer to be by himself and not seek out friends, not necessarily repulse friends but not affirmatively seek them out?
Mr. Oswald. I would say yes and no, sir, to that question if I may.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Would you expand then and explain your answer yes and no?
Mr. Oswald. I feel like in the late 1940s to about the time of my departure to the service in July of 1952, that he did seek out friends, and that he did have friends. However, after my release from the service in 1955, I do believe that he had become more grown to himself.
Mr. Jenner. That is during the interim he had become, while you were away?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. You noticed a change in him when you returned from the service?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Is that what you mean to say?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. All right, proceed and describe that to us.
Mr. Oswald. Still my contact with him was limited, but he did appear to be drawn within himself more than he had been prior, and I do not know of any friends that he had at that particular time.
One factor of course would be that he had moved quite frequently or a number of times during this period.
Mr. Jenner. Apart from the reason, for the moment, I seek to draw from you your personal reaction as to whether he had become more retiring and that you had actually noticed that difference in him?
Mr. Oswald. Well, to me, sir, he had become or appeared to become more drawn into himself to the extent that I noticed that he wanted to read more, and of course when he wanted to read he wanted to be by himself. However, to me personally at that time when we were together, if he did not wish to read, he seemed and appeared to be as he was prior to 1952, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did that state of mind or his action, did you notice that that persisted when he returned from Russia?
Was he still of that retiring nature?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; he was not. I felt that he was more of a gregarious type person that wanted to mix with people and wanted to talk to people.
Mr. Jenner. After he left your home and took residence with your mother and thereafter in various places in Fort Worth, did he seek you out?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. He called me on a number of occasions at my office.
Mr. Jenner. Did he come by your home and visit you voluntarily without invitation?
Mr. Oswald. I do not recall of any time, sir. I usually was talking to him on the telephone quite frequently during the period that he had moved out of my mother's apartment into their own duplex, to the extent that I always told him that if he would like to come out any time just to give me a ring and I would gladly pick them up and bring them out to the house and return them to their home.
Mr. Jenner. Did he do so?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; he did not.
Mr. Dulles. There has been some testimony here before the Commission to the general effect that in the latter period he broke pretty much away with some of the Russian group of friends in Dallas that Marina had developed or liked to be with, and that is because she could talk Russian. Did you see anything of that, and can you throw any further light on that?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not. I was aware or had become aware of this group or some other group of the Russian-speaking population in Dallas, and I was aware of Mr. Gregory in Fort Worth, Tex., who had come to my house before Lee and Marina had moved out, to speak in the Russian language to Marina and to Lee. I was not aware that—I was aware that he was talking with and becoming acquainted with this group of persons, and I was not aware of the fact that he was withdrawing from this group of people.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know anything about his relations with a certain man named De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Is the name familiar to you?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; it is not.
Mr. McKenzie. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. McKenzie. Mr. Dulles, who is the Chairman of the session today, has asked Mr. Oswald if he knows or has heard of a man by the name of De Mohrenschildt. Robert Oswald's answer I believe is reflected on the record that he did not know Mr. De Mohrenschildt. I have stated off the record to Mr. Dulles and to Mr. Jenner that I know George De Mohrenschildt.
I became acquainted with George De Mohrenschildt in this manner. Shortly after the law was passed in Texas that we could have women jurors——
Mr. Jenner. Could you fix that time?
Mr. McKenzie. No, I cannot, but it has been within the last five years. I would say. But shortly after the law was passed that we could have women jurors sitting in our courts, my wife happened to be on a jury in Dallas, Texas, in one of our district courts. Sitting on that same jury with my wife, Sally McKenzie was a man by the name of George De Mohrenschildt. As a result of her jury experience in the trial of this case, in which he was a juror, I met George De Mohrenschildt. I have since come to know him briefly, and in no way intimately.
George De Mohrenschildt at one time was married to a lady from Pennsylvania by the name of Wynne Sharples. They were subsequently divorced in Dallas. Wynne Sharples is an M.D. by profession. She comes from a well-known Pennsylvania family, and her father has been engaged in the oil business under the name of Sharples Oil Company.
Wynne