Mr. Jenner. And this was all related to you by your mother?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. And does that exhaust your fund of knowledge as to any shopping trips or visiting and shopping at a local shopping center or stores by Marina?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir—prior to November 1963.
Mr. Jenner. November 22, 1963?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. Dulles. The diary, or memorandum, has considerable information, you may recall, with purchases that were made by others for Marina and the child, as I recall.
Mr. Jenner. That was afterward.
Mr. Dulles. That was afterward?
Mr. Oswald. If I may, sir, I do recall another instance.
In the presence of myself, Lee Harvey Oswald and Mrs. Marina Oswald and the baby June Lee Oswald, approximately the middle of June 1963—the occasion was a grocery shopping for my family and for——
Mr. Jenner. June of 1963?
Mr. Oswald. Thank you, sir. June of 1962. And this was to my knowledge——
Mr. Jenner. Your statement 1963 was a slip of the tongue?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
And there was, to my knowledge, at that time the first occasion that Mrs. Marina Oswald had ever been in a supermarket of the nature that is found in the United States.
Mr. Jenner. Tell us about the occasion.
Mr. Oswald. I remember the occasion quite vividly. If you ever have the opportunity, sir, to take a person of that nature into a supermarket or an average size store, and watch the expression on their face, as to the magnitude of the food and the variety of the food that was in her presence—and I believe for the first time to any extent—it was quite a pleasant observation, I might add, sir. She was quite overwhelmed.
Mr. Jenner. Surprised and overwhelmed?
Mr. Oswald. Surprised——
Mr. Dulles. There is nothing like it in Minsk.
Mr. Oswald. I feel certain, sir, there is not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you get the impression that her reaction was such to indicate that at least she had never seen anything of this nature?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I was of the exact opinion she had not seen anything anywhere comparable to that in the nature of a food store.
Mr. Jenner. Now, did you get the impression this was a spontaneous reaction on her part?
Mr. Oswald. Most certainly it was, sir.
Mr. Jenner. She was not putting on an act to impress you and Lee and anyone accompanying you?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Jenner. This is of interest, Mr. Chairman, particularly the spontaneity.
Mr. Dulles. Was that in Dallas or Fort Worth?
Mr. Oswald. This was in Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. Jenner. This is while they were living with you, Mr. Oswald?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. How did this arise? Did you just decide—was this part of showing her Fort Worth, or was it developed from desiring to go to the supermarket to purchase something, or was it a combination of both?
Mr Oswald. Sir, I believe it was a combination of both.
If I might add, the store that I went into was not the store that I usually purchased groceries from.
Mr. Jenner. You were leading—you were doing the leading of this party?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. And, in addition to yourself and Marina, who was present?
Mr. Oswald. Only the baby, June Lee Oswald.
Mr. Jenner. Just the two of you going, and you were showing her around the town?
Mr. Oswald. And Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. Dulles. And you made some purchases?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; we did. And she made some purchases. Or she selected some items.
Mr. Dulles. Can you tell us whether Marina had from time to time a certain amount of money for her own disposition? Did your brother Lee leave her money?
Mr. Oswald. Not to my knowledge that he did, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Would it be your impression that he did not?
Mr. Oswald. It would be my impression that he did not.
Mr. Jenner. I would appreciate it if you would proceed to tell about your taking her around on this particular day, and her reactions, perhaps, to other things that you showed her in Fort Worth at this early stage of her being in this country.
Mr. Oswald. Her reactions in the supermarket, sir, as I have testified, I believe to be completely spontaneous, and certainly from all appearances it was entirely new to her. I do recall we started off in the section of the store—do you want me to name the store, sir?
Mr. Jenner. Yes; you might do that.
Mr. Oswald. It was a Safeway Grocery Store, located on Camp Bowie and Ridglea addition of Fort Worth, Tex.
Mr. Jenner. I take it Camp Bowie is the name of a street?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. And you obtained any additional impressions as you made this tour of Fort Worth, that is, as to her reactions to her new surroundings?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. She reacted to a walk that we took after leaving the grocery store and drove across the street to a suburban shopping center, with a large variety of different type stores. I do not recall going into any particular store. We were, as the term is applied, window shopping. And she was quite impressed at the articles of clothing, of jewelry, of shoes, and such items as might be displayed in this type of suburban shopping center which would more or less encompass a full variety of practically everything other than large appliances at this time.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
At any time prior to November 22, 1963, did you become acquainted with her habits, if any, with respect to independent shopping on her part—that is, shopping by herself for foodstuffs or articles of clothing for little June or for herself?
Mr. Oswald. None other than, sir, that I have already related as related by my mother to me.
Mr. Jenner. Is the name Hutch's Market familiar to you?
Mr. Oswald. It is not.
Mr. Jenner. You testified yesterday that, as I recall—and if I am incorrect, please correct me—that your impression at least was that your mother was opposed to your marriage?
Mr. Oswald. That is right.
Mr. Jenner. Am I correct up to that point?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is right.
Mr. Jenner. Without the degree of that opposition. Was it quite affirmative? Did she make any scene? Did she talk—express to you unequivocally her opposition?
Give us those circumstances, please.
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not recall any specific instance where she firmly stated that she was against my marriage. It might have been little things along that line she might have said to me that I do not recall formulated my opinion that she was to some degree at least having objections to my marriage.
Mr. Jenner. But did you have the feeling, and was it conveyed to you, that she was quite affirmatively opposed to your marriage?
Mr. Oswald. I would