Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I am.
Mr. Jenner. And did you see that photograph by any chance at any time prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I have not. Or did not.
Mr. Jenner. You were unaware that it had been taken?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know that your brother had either the gun or the pistol?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Dulles. Or had acquired the gun or pistol?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did Marina, following November 22, 1963, herself also acquire the same antipathy that you have testified you had with respect to the Paines?
Mr. Oswald. I would be of the opinion, sir, that she has not or does not have the antipathy that I have to the Paines. However, I feel confident that she has followed my advice along that line, and not contacted Mr. or Mrs. Paine since November 23, 1963.
Mr. Jenner. All right, sir.
Mr. Dulles. Did you have the impression that Mrs. Paine had some ulterior motive, other than a good motive, desire to befriend Marina when she was in some distress, and to gain the chance to talk Russian with her?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I would not have an opinion of that, since I was not aware of the circumstances of how they did become acquainted, and consequently started living in her residence in Irving, Tex.
Mr. Dulles. I gathered from your previous testimony that your feeling, visceral feeling, related both to Mrs. Paine and to Mr. Paine.
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it did. More so, if I might add, sir, to Mr. Paine than Mrs. Paine. But still I will include both of them in that answer.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know anything of Mr. Paine's background and affiliations?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Dulles. You knew of Mrs. Paine's interest in learning Russian, did you not, and in Russian matters?
Mr. Oswald. Following November 22, 1963, this has been reported to me.
Mr. Dulles. By Marina?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I believe I read this in various reported news articles and magazines that she has stated this was her intention.
Mr. Dulles. And Marina did not talk to you about either of the Paines particularly?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; not to any extent.
Mr. Jenner. Your information with respect to the Paines, other than your meeting them, I believe you said, the evening of November 22, and later in the Inn of the Six Flags, is based primarily—in addition to that—on items you have read in the newspaper and that sort of thing?
Mr. Oswald. Sir, to fully understand the question, you referred to a meeting of Mr. and Mrs. Paine at the Inn of the Six Flags?
Mr. Jenner. I thought you said that Mrs. Paine—or was it Mrs. Ford in the Inn of the Six Flags?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; neither of the ladies you have mentioned were in the Inn of the Six Flags.
Mr. Jenner. Then your whole acquaintance with the Paines was your being introduced to them, is that correct?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that is not correct.
Mr. Jenner. Would you relate your acquaintance with the Paines, and when it first arose?
Mr. Oswald. The first occasion that I met Mr. and Mrs. Paine, was at the Dallas police station on the night of November 22, 1963.
Mr. Dulles. May I ask there—had you heard about them before?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not.
Mr. Dulles. Hadn't even heard about them?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not. And my subsequent second meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—and I might add my last meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—was at their home in Irving, Tex., on the day that Mr. John Thorne, Mr. Jim Martin and myself—for the purpose of picking up Marina N. Oswald's and Lee Harvey Oswald's personal belongings. This was the only time that I have met them since the night of November 22, 1963.
Mr. Dulles. Did anything transpire on that occasion, when you were taking up Marina's and your brother's belongings?
Mr. Oswald. Perhaps, sir, the only thing that I recall that would perhaps be of some type of significance was that Mr. Paine, at the approximate time we were ready to depart from his home, called me over to the side and stated that he would like to know where Marina was staying, and they would like to be in contact with her. And my comment to him was that Marina was leaving the area, and that she was to be well taken care of. And at that time we left.
Mr. Dulles. Do you know whether the Paines have been in touch with Marina since that particular time, when you left the Paine's home?
Mr. Oswald. To my knowledge, sir, they have not in person been in contact with Marina Oswald. However, it is my understanding from Mr. Jim Martin and Mrs. Marina Oswald that Mrs. Paine has written a number of letters to Mrs. Marina Oswald during her stay at the Martin's home in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. Dulles. Do you know the content of those letters?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. Dulles. Do you know whether Marina still has them in her possession?
Mr. Oswald. I would be of the opinion that she does, sir. And the only comment she had made to me directly, or Mr. Martin perhaps made to me, as to the contents of the letters was that they wanted to talk with Marina, they wanted to be in contact with Marina in person.
Mr. Dulles. Thank you.
Mr. Jenner. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Dulles. Back on the record.
Mr. Jenner. Mr. Oswald, during all of the time that your brother and your sister-in-law Marina resided in Fort Worth, Tex., were you aware of any occasion when your sister resided or visited with, and lived with, anyone else other than your brother Lee in their home?
Mr. Oswald. Sir, if I may correct you—you referred to her as my sister.
Mr. Jenner. I meant sister-in-law.
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not acquainted at any time that she did.
Mr. Jenner. Do you have any knowledge or acquaintance with whether Marina did any shopping on her own?
Mr. Oswald. During the period that they were in Fort Worth, Tex., sir?
Mr. Jenner. Yes.
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir, I am acquainted.
Mr. Jenner. Would you relate your knowledge in that respect?
Mr. Oswald. A conversation with my wife on return home from work one afternoon, approximately the latter part of June 1962—correction, sir.
It was not a conversation with my wife—it was a conversation with my mother, at approximately the latter part of August 1962, or the first part of October 1962. And, to the best of my recollection, the conversation was to the effect that Lee Harvey Oswald had gone downtown in Fort Worth, Tex., looking for a job, and that Marina wanted to find Lee while he was downtown, and even though reportedly from my mother that she insisted that she not leave the house, she did, carrying the baby, June Lee Oswald with her, and walked approximately 15 or 16 blocks into downtown Fort Worth.
It is my understanding that she became lost or needed assistance in her directions, in her attempt either to find Lee Harvey Oswald or return home, that she asked the assistance of a police officer, and that apparently she did not have any other difficulty.
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