Mr. Martin. As far as I know. I think we had discussed it.
Mr. Rankin. You had discussed it?
Mr. Martin. I don't know exactly how we came to these figures as far as that is concerned.
Mr. Rankin. But you think you had discussed it before the meeting at the coffee shoppe that you described?
Mr. Martin. Probably so.
Mr. Rankin. Did you suggest the amount?
Mr. Martin. I don't know.
Mr. Rankin. You don't recall whether you did or he did?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Rankin. Did you talk that over with Marina?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. Who was present at that time?
Mr. Martin. I believe Lee Gopadze.
Mr. Rankin. Anyone else?
Mr. Martin. Well, there were several times we discussed it with Marina. One time Robert was there. He read the contracts. Let's see, he usually came in on Sunday so he read the contracts more at length.
Mr. Rankin. Did Robert come in before or after your conversation in the coffee shoppe that you referred to?
Mr. Martin. I believe after.
Mr. Rankin. After you had the conversation in the coffee shoppe with Mr. Thorne, did you make any changes in the draft of the contract.
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Leech. Excuse me, what contract are you talking about?
Mr. Rankin. Thorne contract.
Were you referring to the Thorne contract?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. What changes did you make at that time?
Mr. Martin. We deleted gifts, contributions. He used a standard contractual form, and in that contractual form it includes gifts and contributions, and we deleted those.
Mr. Rankin. I hand you Exhibit No. 279 and ask you if that is a photostat copy of the contract you have been referring to?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. And it has stricken out the words that you have just described with regard to donations and gifts?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. It does give him an interest in collections, trust funds and bequests, according to the language of this Exhibit No. 279.
Do you know what was meant by that?
Mr. Martin. No. That was in the standard contract that this was drawn from.
Mr. Rankin. Did you ever discuss this contract, Exhibit No. 279, with Marina Oswald?
Mr. Martin. Yes, with Mr. Thorne and Robert Oswald present.
Mr. Rankin. When was that?
Mr. Martin. Between the 1st and the 6th of December 1963. I can't recall the dates.
Mr. Rankin. Do you remember where you were when you had that discussion?
Mr. Martin. At the house, my home.
Mr. Rankin. What did you say to Marina about it?
Mr. Martin. I don't recall any conversation at all.
Mr. Rankin. Was anything said about the 10 percent at that time?
Mr. Martin. Well, she knew it was 10 percent.
Mr. Rankin. How do you know she knew that?
Mr. Martin. Well, we explained it to her.
Mr. Rankin. Who explained it?
Mr. Martin. I don't know whether I did or whether John Thorne did or Robert.
Mr. Rankin. Did she understand English enough to understand what you were talking about?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. How do you know that?
Mr. Martin. Because of her reaction to it.
Mr. Rankin. Did she react about the 10 percent?
Mr. Martin. No. I mean there was no reaction as far as her, a definite reaction but I could tell she understood it.
Mr. Rankin. Can you tell us what you observed about her that caused you to think that she understood it?
Mr. Martin. Well, I don't know. I think it was explained to her as 10 cents of a dollar.
Mr. Rankin. Was anything——
Mr. Martin. But she said she understood percents.
Mr. Rankin. How did she say that?
Mr. Martin. That way. "I understand percents" or something of that type.
Mr. Rankin. Was there any discussion with Marina about the effect of this contract on donations and contributions from the public?
Mr. Martin. Yes. We said that that would not be included in that 10 percent.
Mr. Rankin. Did you say anything to Marina about whether this was a good contract for her?
Mr. Martin. I probably did.
Mr. Rankin. Do you recall what you said?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Rankin. You have no recollection about that?
Mr. Martin. No. Actually we left most of it up to Robert.
Mr. Rankin. So whatever explanation was made to Marina was really made by Robert, is that right?
Mr. Leech. Excuse me for just a minute.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Rankin. Back on the record.
Mr. Leech. Mr. Martin's contract and Robert had a contract with her, too, and Mr. Thorne's contract were left with her. They were not signed that day.
Mr. Rankin. You tell us what you know about that, Mr. Martin.
Mr. Martin. Well, Robert wanted to read over the contracts and think them over, and I believe he took copies of them. Now, I am not sure, I am not certain, about that.
Mr. Rankin. When did Robert get involved here, of getting a share?
Mr. Martin. From the beginning.
Mr. Rankin. Were you present when that matter came up?
Mr. Martin. Yes. That was Marina's request that he participate.
Mr. Rankin. When was that request made?
Mr. Martin. Prior to the signing of the contracts, probably December 4—3d or 4th.
Mr. Rankin. Who was present at that time?
Mr. Martin. I believe John Thorne and Robert, Marina and myself.
Mr. Rankin. What did Marina say about that at that time?
Mr. Martin. She wanted Robert to have some of the money.
Mr. Rankin. What did Robert say about that?
Mr. Martin. As I recall he didn't say much of anything.
Mr. Rankin. Did he say anything to indicate that he thought that was a good idea, a bad idea?
Mr. Martin. No. I think he said, "Thank you," that is about it.
Mr. Rankin. Did Marina say anything about how much she wanted Robert to get?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. What did she say about that?
Mr. Martin. Ten percent.