Mr. Jenner. Did you express surprise?
Mr. Oswald. I feel certain that I did, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Do you recall now—you walked into the room, and there was Marina with these others, but with two children, one an infant that you had not seen before. Was it immediately explained to you? Did you inquire as to the identity of the infant? Can you reconstruct that for us?
Mr. Oswald. To the best of my remembrance on that, sir, possibly during the preceding half hour, when I was talking with my mother, she possibly—this I am not clear—advised me of the second child. If she did not, I was, of course, much more surprised when I walked into the room where Marina was holding the infant. I remember looking at the infant, as Marina held the infant, and making some type of comment about whether or not it was a boy or girl and how old it was.
Mr. Jenner. I don't recall this recorded in your memorandum—and it may very well be—that the preceding half hour you had had a meeting or conference with your mother?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. And was that—in whose presence was that conference?
Mr. Oswald. First in the presence of two or three FBI agents, and a Star Telegram reporter, Fort Worth Star Telegram reporter, at the Dallas police station.
Mr. Jenner. Do you record that event in your memorandum?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I do, on page 5.
Mr. Jenner. On page 6 there is a reference, I think I have interpreted your writing, to a Mr. Cummings. Would you find that place on page 6?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I have it.
Mr. Jenner. Do I interpret your writing correctly?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct. I believe his name to be a Lieutenant Cummings.
Mr. Jenner. That is what I sought. He was an officer of the Dallas police force?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. I believe you record on page 6, that Mr. Cummings, Lieutenant Cummings, or some other—well, I don't want to interpret what you do record—but you received a report at that time, according to your memorandum, of the fact of the arrest of your brother, Lee, in connection with the murder of Officer Tippit.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Is that the first information you had that your brother had actually been arrested in connection with that incident?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; it was not.
Mr. Jenner. When had you first received information in that respect?
Mr. Oswald. As my prior testimony stated, at the office, at the new Denton plant, when Lee's name was first mentioned, stating that he had been arrested in regards to the shooting to death of a police officer, and possibly the President of the United States.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Page 7—did you, at the time of the events recorded on page 7, see or request to see your brother, Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. And of whom did you make that request?
First I would put it this way: Did you see Lee Harvey Oswald on that day or evening?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. But you did make a request? Of whom did you make that request?
Mr. Oswald. To a police officer. I cannot recall his name. He reportedly passed on my request to captain of police, Captain Fritz.
Mr. Jenner. And what was his response?
Mr. Oswald. The police officer who passed on my request asked that I stay around, that Captain Fritz was quite busy, that he would see me later.
Mr. Jenner. And did you see Captain Fritz later?
Mr. Oswald. I did see him, but I did not talk to him. By this, I mean he was in his glass office, within an office, and I did see him through the glass, but I did not talk to Captain Fritz.
Mr. Jenner. What was the disposition of your—at least as of that day—of your request to see your brother?
Mr. Oswald. None, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Not decided either way?
Mr. Oswald. I never did receive an answer either way, sir.
Mr. Jenner. I see.
And you eventually left the police station, did you?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. You record on page 7 that you walked to your automobile, do you not?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. Jenner. Now, would you trace your course from the time you left the Dallas City police office to the time you retired that evening?
Mr. Oswald. You are referring to the time that I first left the Dallas police office?
Mr. Jenner. Yes—start there, and trace your steps to the time you retired for the evening.
Mr. Oswald. Well, my departure of the Dallas police office—I walked to my car that was in a parking lot approximately seven blocks away.
Mr. Jenner. About what time of day or evening was this?
Mr. Oswald. To the best of my recollection, approximately 8 o'clock at night, sir.
Mr. Jenner. All right, sir. When you left the Dallas police office or station, did you then have a definite route in mind as to where you were going?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. You had no arrangements with anybody, and no one had any with you, with respect to where you might or could go?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. All right. Proceed, please.
Mr. Oswald. On arrival at my car in the parking lot in Dallas, Tex., I started to drive, I did drive to Fort Worth, Tex., by Highway 80.
Mr. Jenner. You were then—you then had in mind doing what—returning home?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that was not the direction of home, sir. I did not have anything in mind other than I wanted to drive and to arrange my thoughts at that particular time.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Now, you do say, and I quote from your memorandum, "I was attempting to arrange my thoughts and my fears."
Do you find that expression on page 7?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Now, would you please explain to the Commission what was meant when you recorded the sentence, "I was attempting to arrange my thoughts and my fears"?
Mr. Oswald. What I meant by that statement, sir—not being disrespectful—I believe it speaks for itself in view of the happenings of the day. To further elaborate on that, I wanted to have some time by myself to think about the happenings of the day and the arrest of my brother, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the reference to my fears, whether or not he could have possibly done this. He had been up to that time either accused or arrested for the death of Police Officer J. D. Tippit, and the investigation that was now going on in Dallas as to the death of the President of the United States and the wounding of Governor Connally, of Texas.
Mr. Jenner. All right. You were then driving in your automobile.
Did you actually reach Fort Worth?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. And then what did you do?
Mr. Oswald. After driving through Fort Worth, to the west side of Fort Worth, I turned around and headed back toward Dallas.
Mr.