Mr. Oswald. No, sir; they did not.
Mr. McKenzie. For the sake of the record, Mr. Jenner, I would like to state what I told the agents.
Mr. Jenner. Now, returning to—when did you tell them, Mr. McKenzie?
Mr. McKenzie. Mr. Jenner, the best I recall it was either Monday—it was Monday, February 17th.
Mr. Jenner. Monday of this week?
Mr. McKenzie. Yes, this past Monday.
And I might add that I received the diary myself sometime around 5:15 or 5 o'clock on Saturday, February 15th, and I read the diary Sunday evening, February 16th, and gave the information to the FBI agents on February 17th, at which time I suggested that if they would like to talk to Robert about it they could be free to do so.
Mr. Oswald. May I say something here, Bill?
Mr. McKenzie did not know the exact meaning of this statement on January 13, 1964. He asked me in his office on Monday afternoon, February 17, 1964, to fill in the blanks, and to give the man's name to the initials and what it meant, at which time I did.
Mr. Jenner. But from the 13th of January 1964 to Saturday February 15, 1964, you had not drawn this matter to the attention of any agency of the United States or any agent of the United States, or any other person, is that correct?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that is not correct. I did not speak to any agent of the U.S. Government.
My wife read my diary, and she asked me what that entry was.
Mr. Jenner. When did you prepare this diary?
Mr. Oswald. I prepared it on the dates noted in the diary. In this particular instance, Sunday, January 13, 1964.
Mr. Jenner. That particular entry, I take it, then, from your testimony, was made contemporaneously with the event itself—that is, on January 13, 1964?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. This news from Mr. Martin startled and upset you, did it not?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it did.
Mr. Jenner. You mentioned that you had gone to the Martin home, one of the purposes being to take Marina to the cemetery.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you do so?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. As soon as you were in her presence in the automobile, or while you were driving there, did you raise this subject with her?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. You made no mention of what Mr. Martin had said to you?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you ever speak to Marina about it?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; she raised the question to me, or told me of the incident.
Mr. Jenner. I see.
Was it on your way to the cemetery, while you were there, or returning from the cemetery?
Mr. Oswald. On the way to the cemetery, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Please try to reconstruct the circumstances, and state as clearly as you can how she raised the subject with you, and what she said—first stating, however, who was in the automobile as you were driving to the cemetery.
Mr. Oswald. It was Marina N. Oswald and myself, only.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Now, try to—give us the scene just as it occurred—how she brought it out.
Mr. Oswald. We had been talking about the children, her children and my children, family affairs, and so forth, attempting to carry on a reasonable facsimile of a complete conversation within her limited knowledge of English. And at a pause in this conversation, she started relating to me this incident.
Mr. Jenner. Please, Mr. Oswald—when you say she started relating this incident, it doesn't help us any, it is not evidentiary. How did she do it? What did she say, as best you are able to recall? How did she bring it up?
Mr. McKenzie. In her own words, Robert, try to reconstruct exactly what was said to you from the time you left Jim Martin's house until you went—in Dallas, Tex., until you arrived in Fort Worth, Tex., at the cemetery.
Mr. Oswald. On this subject, to the best of my knowledge, Marina said to me, "Robert, Lee also wanted to shoot Mr. Nixon." And, at that time, I believe I gave her the statement that "Yes, Jim told me about this when we were sitting in the den that afternoon."
Mr. Jenner. You say you gave her the statement—you mean that is what you said to her?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
And she made her statement, referring to this incident of Mr. Nixon.
And then she related——
Mr. Jenner. What did she say?
Mr. Oswald. I might say this, sir. In practically the same words that Mr. Martin had told me, because he had reportedly received the conversation from Marina, within her limited English—it rang a bell to the extent that the words were close to being the same to the way Mr. Martin had related it to me.
It was a very brief statement on her behalf that Lee was going to shoot Mr. Richard M. Nixon, and that she, Marina N. Oswald, locked Lee in the bathroom all day.
I did ask her was he very angry. Her reply was at first he certainly was, or was, but later——
Mr. Jenner. When you say at first, you mean her first response to your question was, "He certainly was."
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; or that he was. I don't believe she knows the word "certainly." That he was angry, and that he calmed down during the period that he was locked in the bathroom.
And I asked her at the end of that statement, "Did he beat you or hurt you?"
She said, "No, he did not spank me."
That is, to the best of my recollection, the entire conversation on the incident of Mr. Richard M. Nixon.
Mr. Jenner. Did you inquire—you have now exhausted your recollection?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you inquire of her as to when this incident took place?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did she volunteer it?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; she did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you inquire of Mr. Martin as to when the incident took place?
Mr. Oswald. I do not recall that I did, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you make any inquiry as to where they were residing at the time the incident was alleged to have taken place, or might have taken place?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you assume any particular residence?
Mr. Oswald. I assumed that this took place in one of two apartments that they lived in in Dallas, Tex. The addresses I am not familiar with. They are the only two houses or apartments that I did see for myself from the outside on the night of Thanksgiving, 1963, whatever the date was, at which time we had dinner at the Martin's home for the first time that Mrs. Martin had met Marina N. Oswald.
And, at the conclusion of the dinner, the Secret Service agents, with us, wanted Marina to point out to them the two apartments that they had lived in in Dallas.
Mr. Jenner. And you accompanied them, did you?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I was in the car.
Mr. Jenner. Did you thereafter pursue this occurrence, or alleged occurrence,