Mr. Jenner. All right.
I had asked him to state his military career and maybe out of modesty he just left left that out.
Would you—you did give us in detail in your various stages and your specialty.
Mr. Oswald. I might say going through boot camp at San Diego, Calif., during the second week of boot training I was selected as the right guide of the platoon which actually was a go-between the drill instructors and the rest of the platoon, and I retained that position all the way through the remainder of the boot camp. On completion of boot camp I was a Pfc. I retained that—excuse me, I retained that rank until I went to Miami, Fla., at which time on my departure from Miami, Fla., I received my corporal's stripe, and prior to leaving Korea in April of 1955 I received my sergeant's stripe which was my last stripe that I received in the Marine Corps.
I did receive, of course, an honorable discharge, a Good Conduct Medal, and the various citations of the unit in Korea, Presidential Unit Citations, and such.
Mr. Jenner. All right. Thank you.
I can't recall whether it was Representative Boggs or Representative Ford who was questioning you about conversations between yourself and your mother regarding her claim that your brother may have been a representative of the CIA or some other government agency, and you mentioned there were two occasions. I did ask you to state the detail of one of the occasions which was in the Six Flags Motel in Dallas.
Would you please state where the second conversation took place and who was present and what was said?
Mr. Oswald. The second conversation took place over the telephone in a call that originated from my mother's house in Fort Worth, Tex., to my home in Denton, Tex.
I do not know if my wife was present at my end or who was present on the other end, at my mother's home.
Mr. Jenner. You recognized her voice?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. It was your mother?
Mr. Oswald. It was my mother.
Mr. Jenner. What did she say on the subject?
Mr. Oswald. She was still pursuing this question or this speculation as far as I am concerned that Lee was an agent of the CIA, and that she was going to be able to, I believe use used the word "concrete", to be able to concretely establish that with the officials.
Mr. Jenner. You fixed that as having occurred subsequent to the occasion in the Six Flags Motel?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Can you fix the time of the second occasion more definitely than that it followed the other?
Mr. Oswald. I would say this was approximately during the week of December 9, 1963.
Mr. Jenner. Was it before or after her trip to Washington which you have testified about when Mr. Ford questioned you?
Mr. Oswald. This was before her trip to Washington.
Mr. Jenner. Now, when your mother returned from Washington, when she made her trip here about which you testified in response to questions from Representative Ford, did she say anything about her claim or speculation, as you put it, that your brother was or might have been an agent of the CIA or some other agency of the United States?
Mr. Oswald. I have not talked to my mother since she has been to Washington.
Mr. Jenner. I see. So there has been no claim by her to you since the occasion of the second conversation which was a telephone call?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. During the time of your youth and your association with your brother Lee you testified this morning of the normal interest of boys in firearms. You have also testified that your brother Lee was right handed. Did you ever see him handle even a toy pistol or a cap gun other than with his right hand?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir, not that I can remember. You, of course, recall sometimes when maybe he was Two-Gun Pete, so to speak.
Mr. Jenner. He was what?
Mr. Oswald. He was Two-Gun Pete, so to speak, when we were playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians, where he would have two guns.
Mr. Jenner. With the exception of having two guns when he had one he had it in his right hand?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. What ever type of playing, shooting, sitting, or otherwise, he always had the pistol, rifle or cap gun in his right hand?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. You said you were using B-B guns. Were there occasions when Lee also occasionally shot a B-B gun rifle?
Mr. Oswald. Not to my knowledge, sir.
Mr. Jenner. I have a recollection that when he was mustered out of the service in September of 1959 he spent two or three days at home in Fort Worth.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And there was an occasion when you and he and some friends of yours went on a hunting trip.
Mr. Oswald. My brother-in-law.
Mr. Jenner. Or you went squirrel shooting or rabbit shooting.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Just the two of you, or did anybody accompany you?
Mr. Oswald. Three of us.
Mr. Jenner. Did you have a rifle?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. Those I take it were .22's.
Mr. Oswald. All three were .22 caliber, that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Where did you obtain them?
Mr. Oswald. Two of them belonged to me and one of them belonged to my brother-in-law.
Mr. Jenner. Your brother-in-law?
Mr. Oswald. My brother-in-law.
Mr. Jenner. What is his name?
Mr. Oswald. S. R. Mercer, Jr.
Mr. Jenner. What was the occasion of this trip? How did it come about? Did you suggest it, your brother-in-law, Lee or how?
Mr. Oswald. The day that I recall that Lee stayed with us in—between the time he was discharged and the time he was supposed to be leaving for New Orleans was a period of 2 to 3 days. One of those days, I feel sure was a Saturday, either we spent all day out at my in-laws' farm or the afternoon at the farm at which time Lee and I, and my brother-in-law went hunting.
Mr. Dulles. Was this a couple of days before he left for Russia?
Mr. Oswald. This was a couple of days before he left for New Orleans or about 1 day or 2 days before he left for New Orleans.
Mr. Dulles. And then he shipped out?
Mr. Oswald. To locate a job.
Mr. Jenner. On that occasion, that incident, did he have occasion to discharge the .22 caliber rifle he was carrying?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. Jenner. Did you see him do so?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. From what shoulder did he, against which shoulder did he place the butt of the gun?
Mr. Oswald. The right shoulder.
Mr. Jenner. And with which hand or fingers of which hand