Part IIITwo Conversations: J. Krishnamurti and Alain Naudé
Part IVTwo Conversations: J. Krishnamurti and Swami Venkatesananda
1The guru and search. Four schools of Yoga scrutinised (Karma, Bhakti, Raja, Gnana Yoga).
2Four “mahavakyas” from the Upanishads discussed. Communication and the Bodhisattva ideal. Vedanta and the ending of knowledge.
Part VThree Talks in Madras
1THE ART OF SEEING
To see, not partially but totally. “The act of seeing is the only truth.” Of the vast mind only a fragment is used. The fragmentary influence of culture, tradition. “Living in a little corner of a distorted field.” “You cannot understand through a fragment.” Freedom from “the little corner”. The beauty of seeing.
2FREEDOM
To share a free mind. “If we could come upon this, it is really a mysterious flower.” Why has man not got this thing? Fear. “Living” is not living. Words taken for substance. Wastage of energy. “The mature mind has no comparison … no measure.” The validity of “the life that you lead every day . . . without understanding it you will never understand love, beauty, or death”. Through negation that thing which alone is the positive comes into being.
3THE SACRED
Ploughing, never sowing. Ideation. Sensitivity lacking in daily life. Attention and intelligence. Disorder in ourselves and the world: our responsibility. The question of seeing. Images and direct contact. The sacred. “When you have that love you can put away all your sacred books.”
Part VIFour Dialogues in Madras
1CONFLICT
Images: are we aware that we see through images? Concepts; the gap between concepts and daily living; resulting conflict. “To get illumination you must be able to look.” “To live without conflict, but not to go to sleep.”
2THE PURSUIT OF PLEASURE
Self-interest and self-dedication. Demand for satisfaction. Levels of gratification. Has psychological gratification any meaning? “A whirlpool of mischief and misery inwardly.” Aggression. Pursuit of pleasure. “There are no roots of heaven in pleasure—there are only roots of indifference and pain.” Watching is its own discipline.
3TIME, SPACE AND THE CENTRE
The ideal, the concept, and “what is”. Need to understand suffering: pain, loneliness, fear, envy. The ego-centre. The space and time of the centre. Is it possible not to have an ego-centre and yet live in this world? “We live within the prison of our own thinking.” To see the structure of the centre. To look without the centre.
4A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION
What is clear thinking in relation to daily living? Meeting the present with the past. How to live with memory and technological knowledge and yet be free of the past? Double life: temple, office. How to live without fragmentation?—to answer from a concept is further fragmentation. Silence before the immensity of a fundamental question. “Can you live so completely that there is only the active present now?”
EUROPE
Part VIISeven Talks in Saanen, Switzerland
1WHAT IS YOUR OVER-RIDING INTEREST?
Passion and intensity needed. The inner and outer: can they be divided? QUESTIONS: Pleasure and interest; God; children and education; many different interests; the meaning of demonstrations; of love, truth and order.
2ORDER
The mind only knows disorder. The state of “not-knowing”. The “self” is part of the culture, which is disorder. QUESTIONS: Is the mind capable of looking? Analysis; the guru: relationship with Krishnamurti; can you look at yourself?
3CAN WE UNDERSTAND OURSELVES?
The problem of self-knowledge is the problem of looking. To look without fragmentation, without the “me”. Analysis, dreams and sleep. The problem of the “observer” and of time. “When you look at yourself without the eyes of time, who is there to look?” QUESTIONS: Are some images necessary? Is evaluation vitiated by our state of confusion? Conflict.
4LONELINESS
Preoccupation with oneself. Relationship. Action in relationship and daily life. Images isolate: the understanding of image-building. “Self-concern is my major image.” Relationship without conflict means love. QUESTIONS: Can the self have unmotivated passion? Images; drugs and stimulants.
5THOUGHT AND THE IMMEASURABLE
Can thought solve our problems? The function of thought. The field of thought and its projections. Can the mind enter into the immeasurable? What is the factor of illusion? Physical and mental fear and escapes. The mind that is constantly learning. QUESTIONS: Can one observe without judgment and evaluation? Is perception seeing something totally? Can words be used to describe a non-verbal state?
6THE ACTION OF WILL AND THE ENERGY NEEDED FOR RADICAL CHANGE
Great energy needed; its wastage. Will is resistance. Will as assertion of the “me”. Is there action without choice, which is not motivated? “To look with eyes that are not conditioned.” Choiceless awareness of conditioning. To see and reject the falseness. What love is not. To face the question of death. “The ending of energy as the ‘me’ is the capacity to look at death.” Energy to look at the unknown: supreme energy is intelligence. QUESTIONS: We understand intellectually, but can’t live it; is a man capable? How to listen? Are not feelings and emotions the cause of violence?
7THOUGHT, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE IMMEASURABLE
Different meanings of space. The space we think and act from; the space that thought has built. How is one to have immeasurable space? “To carry our burden and yet to seek freedom.” Thought which does not divide itself is moving in experiencing. The meaning of intelligence. Harmony: mind, heart and organism. “Thought is of time, intelligence is not of time.” Intelligence and the immeasurable. QUESTIONS: Hatha Yoga. Is there separation of observer and observed in technological work? Awareness and sleep.
Part VIIIFive Dialogues in Saanen
1THE FRAGMENTATION OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Are we aware that we look at life fragmentarily? The conditioning of consciousness. Do we really know its content? Is there a division into conscious and unconscious? The observer is part of the content of consciousness. Is there any agent outside this conditioned content? “Tricks I play upon myself.” What is action? Since the