Is that correct?
Mrs. Oswald. What I wanted to say, Mr. Thorne has said.
Mr. Thorne. For my own part, gentlemen, thank you.
The Chairman. Mr. Thorne, we can understand Mrs. Oswald's desire to live a perfectly normal life with her children. Whatever has been done, as you recognize, has been done for her protection, and for her help during these terrible days that she has been going through.
But she may feel from this moment on that she is under no protection, except what she might ask for. And so you are perfectly free, Mrs. Oswald, to live your normal life without any interference from anyone. And should anyone interfere with you, I hope you would call it to the attention of the Commission.
Mrs. Oswald. Thank you very much.
Mr. Thorne. Mr. Chairman, may I add one point, please?
For our purposes, I would appreciate it if this matter of removal, assuming that it is to be removed shortly, is kept secret, also.
I would prefer generally for the public to feel that—at least temporarily—that this protection is available. I don't feel any qualms myself. I don't feel there are any problems. But I think the matter of Mrs. Marguerite Oswald has come up. There may be some problem from some sources.
The Chairman. Mr. Thorne, I think the correct answer to that would be—and it would be the answer we would give—that Mrs. Oswald, in the future, will be given such assistance and only such assistance as she asks for.
Mr. Thorne. Thank you very much, sir.
The Chairman. I want to say also before the session adjourns that we are indebted to Mr. Krimer for the manner in which he has interpreted. Next to the witness, I am sure he has had the hardest position in this whole hearing. And we appreciate the manner in which he has done it.
Mr. Krimer. Thank you very much, sir.
Mrs. Oswald. He is a very good interpreter.
The Chairman. Very well. If there is nothing further to come before the session, we will adjourn.
Mrs. Oswald. I am very grateful to all of you. I didn't think among Americans I would find so many friends.
The Chairman. You have friends here.
Mrs. Oswald. Thank you.
(Whereupon, at 5:50 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)
Monday, February 10, 1964
TESTIMONY OF MRS. MARGUERITE OSWALD
The President's Commission met at 10 a.m. on February 10, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.
Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman: Senator Richard B. Russell, Representative Hale Boggs, Representative Gerald R. Ford, and Allen W. Dulles, members.
Also present were J. Lee Rankin, general counsel; Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel; John F. Doyle, attorney for Mrs. Marguerite Oswald; and Leon Jaworski, special counsel to the attorney general of Texas.
The Chairman. The Commission will come to order.
Let the record show that Senator Russell and I are present, and we convened today for the purpose of taking the testimony of Mrs. Oswald.
Mrs. Oswald, would you rise and be sworn, please?
Do you solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God, throughout this proceeding?
Mrs. Oswald. I do—so help me God.
The Chairman. You may be seated.
Now, Mrs. Oswald, you are here represented by an attorney, are you?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, sir; Mr. Doyle is representing me.
The Chairman. Mr. Doyle is representing you. Mr. Doyle was appointed, was he not, at your request?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, I asked to be represented by counsel.
The Chairman. Yes. And the record may show that Mr. Doyle was appointed to represent her at the request of Mrs. Oswald by the president of the Bar Association of the District of Columbia, Mr. Pratt.
That is correct, is it not, Mr. Doyle?
Mr. Doyle. It is, sir.
The Chairman. Mrs. Oswald, you are appearing voluntarily before the Commission, are you not?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, voluntarily.
The Chairman. You requested to do so.
In order that you may have a full opportunity to testify in your own manner, and tell us everything that you know, and particularly because we do not know what you know, I am going to ask you if you would like first, in your own way, and in your own time, to tell us everything you have concerning this case.
You would like to do that, would you?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, Chief Justice Warren. I would like to very much.
However, there are three things that I have asked that should be brought before the Council, three requests of mine. One has already been granted—that is the counsel, Mr. Doyle. And I do appreciate that fact.
I have stated publicly that I believe in the American way of life and justice for all men, which is our American way of life.
My son, Lee Harvey Oswald, was tried and convicted within a few hours time, without benefit of counsel. And so I am appealing to the Board that my son, Lee Harvey Oswald, be represented by counsel. I am being represented by counsel. My daughter-in-law Marina was represented by counsel. And I understand that all other witnesses will have the privilege of being represented by counsel.
However, the main object of the Commission is Lee Harvey Oswald, in the murder of President Kennedy. So I strongly believe that Lee should be represented by counsel.
Now, my reasons for wanting this done this way is, I will state, that Marina has testified. Marina has testified, according to the papers—and I am assuming that this is correct—that Lee wanted to live in Russia and Cuba, and that is why he went to Mexico.
I happen to know differently—because Marina has told me the first day I was with her, "Mama, I write to Russian consul. I want go back to Russia. I like America. But Lee no get work."
So you see, had a counsel been there in behalf of my son, when Marina said that—it doesn't have to be a court trial or a cross-examination. All I am asking is that this man sit quietly, and when he knows of different facts, then he could say, "Well, Mrs. Oswald, isn't it true that you wrote the Russian consul yourself, wanting to go back to Russia?"
And in this way, gentlemen, I believe you would have both sides and a true picture.
I cannot see how you can come to a true conclusion by taking individual testimony.
Now, I, myself, am here today to testify. I have been sworn in. But that doesn't mean that I can tell the whole story. I may forget something. And the counsel would know.
We have investigators all over the country, the reporters are interested, the public. I have over 1,500 letters, people expressing their opinion of the way this case is being handled. And, believe me, gentlemen, they are not satisfied.
I can produce these documents for you.
They think, like I think, that the American way of life, both sides should be heard.
I don't think that seven men of this Commission can come to a true conclusion. What it will be, it will be an analysis of what the FBI and the Secret Service and the Dallas police have—mainly, speculation and opinion of other people.
Now,