But nothing has been said since that. That is the part that I question all about this.
And then I am not asked to be subpenaed at Jack Ruby's trial or anything.
The FBI says yes, they showed me a picture, but that wasn't a picture of Jack Ruby, not even giving me a chance.
I don't understand. Something is not according to Hoyle. I keep telling you gentlemen.
Now, I can identify this picture, I believe, out of a hundred pictures.
It was a black and white glossy picture of a big face and shoulders. And why I express it—he had it cupped in his hand, and he poked his arm and his hand with my bifocals, and all I could see was the picture and the hand. I didn't even see Mr. Odum so much. That was that hand poked in front of me. I am positive of this. Yet I am not asked any more about the picture. They state, yes, they showed me a picture, but not this picture. I am positive, gentlemen.
Mr. Rankin. I will ask you about a list of names and see if you know any of them, or if your son, Lee Oswald, knew any of them, to your knowledge.
Mrs. Oswald. I will be happy to answer.
Mr. Rankin. Karen Bennett, do you know that?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes. I have inquired about this Karen Bennett.
Mr. Rankin. Did you know her?
Mrs. Oswald. I do not know whether I knew her or not. I have asked several people to investigate this for me.
Upon returning from the country on an OB case. I went to work for Royal Clothiers, in Fort Worth, Tex., as an outside sales lady. In OB you have to wait for the babies—and I needed to live. There was a young lady there by the name of Carol, I called her. It could be Karen. Looked very much like the young lady I saw on the television. That is the first time I connected the two. Her father was one of the biggest gangsters in Fort Worth, Tex. And he himself was killed by the gangland of Fort Worth, Tex.
Why I know that—the manager of this Royal Clothiers had remarked who Karen's father was, and I said to him, "I don't appreciate your broadcasting that. I think what her father did has nothing to do with the girl. She is working. Give her a chance to her own life."
I am always standing up and getting myself in trouble. I want you to know that. Maybe I am not liked. But if that makes not being liked, I will continue not being liked, sir.
So this is when I first started to work. However, I found out that the young lady also had another job at night, which is all right. She was working as a barmaid in a tavern on Hemphill Street, in Fort Worth, Tex., and she had two small children, and so if she worked at the Royal Clothiers during the day, it was necessary that she work at this saloon, or whatever you want to call it at night.
Mr. Rankin. Was she married?
Mrs. Oswald. No, she was not married. That maybe is what she had to do to support her children. And I understand, because I was left alone.
But—she and I became involved in this way. In the front of the store was a showcase with cheap jewelry. This is a credit place, rings, diamond rings, and bracelets. And Carol had the key to this case, and so did I. And there was some talk about a ring or something missing. I realized right then and there I could not put myself in a position of things being stolen, because here was a girl who they said her father was a gangster, and she was working in a bar. And my son was a known defector. So I quit that job.
Now, on television for the Ruby trial here comes the girl. I thought I recognized this girl. The name is Karen Bennett. And I called her Carol, it could be Karen Bennett. I didn't have much to do with the girl. So I immediately told this story to Mr. Jack Langueth of the New York Times, and I told also to another Star Telegram reporter, Mr. John McConnoch, because I wanted them to investigate.
But I have not heard anything about it.
Mr. Rankin. How about Bruce Carlin?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. You don't know whether your son knew him?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir. I would not know anybody that my son knew. That I am positive—because he never did tell me any of this. But continue.
Mr. Rankin. Robert Kermit Patterson, also known as Bobby Patterson?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. Donald C. Stuart?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. Charles Arndt?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. James A. Jackson?
Mrs. Oswald. No, you know, a few of those names sound to me like they might be on the back of both of these pictures. I am not sure.
Mr. Rankin. They are supposed to be associates or friends or people that Mr. Ruby knew and associated with closely.
Stanley or Katya Skotnicki?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. Larry Crafard, or Crawford?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Rankin. Do you remember that name?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir. I was trying to connect the name with a couple.
Mr. Rankin. Do you know whether he ever spent any time in the Silver Spur?
Mrs. Oswald. If Lee ever did?
Mr. Rankin. Yes.
Mrs. Oswald. I have had no knowledge of Lee for 1 year. None whatsoever.
Mr. Rankin. And before that do you know whether he spent any time in the Silver Spur in Dallas?
Mrs. Oswald. No, sir.
And before that, as to what I do know, that Lee did not drink and Lee did not smoke, and Lee wasn't the type—not that he did not maybe go into saloons—but from what I know of him, he did not go into places like that of his own. If he was working he might have gone into these places.
Mr. Rankin. These are the nightclubs Jack Ruby was associated with. You recognize that?
Mrs. Oswald. No, I don't.
Mr. Rankin. And the Vegas Club was another one. Do you know whether he spent time there?
Mrs. Oswald. I would have no way of knowing.
Mr. Rankin. And the Sovereign Club?
Mrs. Oswald. I have no way of knowing. I am going to say, again, Mr. Lane would have ways of knowing about all these clubs and everything, because that is his part of our investigation. I would like to get back to Patrolman Tippit.
Mr. Rankin. All right. I just want to try to cover this book about Lee Oswald's marksmanship. That has been marked Exhibit 238.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 238, for identification.)
Mr. Rankin. It is a book that you brought here.
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, it was left in his sea bag, when he came home from the Marine Corps.
Mr. Rankin. And that reads, "U.S. Marine Corps Score Book, Oswald, L. H."
Mrs. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Rankin. That is your son's?
Mrs. Oswald. That is correct. That is his platoon, 2060, that is the one he got the trophy with.
Mr. Rankin. Were the various marks in that book in pencil that you see there in the book when you first found it?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, sir, I have not touched the book.
Mr. Rankin. Is it in the same condition?
Mrs. Oswald. That is the same condition that it was in his sea bag.
Mr. Rankin. We offer in evidence Exhibit 238, and ask leave to substitute a copy.
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